OMRRA 2005 Rules Committee

September 22, 2004, 7:30pm to 9:40pm

Location: Canyon Pearl Restaurant, Beaverton, Oregon

Attending: Frank Berthold, TJ Janss, Janice Logan, Simon Pierre-smith, Chris Locatell, John Acerbi, and Herb Wagner

Agenda:
Group set to elect people for Chair and Secretary, and discuss issues that pertain to make changes for the rulebook.

Notes:
The committee elected Frank Berthold as Chairman, and Herb Wagner as Secretary.

The committee during discussion brought up the following issues.

1.  Allow 500cc open single fur strokes into the 250 GP class.

2.  Black and green flag for oil on the track. This item was discussed and the consensus came to that it was too complicated.

3.  Break down of endurance rules. It has been reported that Les Green has done this and the wording just needs to be put in the rulebook.

4.  Review scoring grid of senior classes and wording in rulebook. B-6 is in violation of M-5. Senior is to be its own class and scored separately from the originating class. Change wording in rulebook section B-6 to eliminate conflict of having a race in a race. This also solves computer and scoring problems.

5.  Should smallbore classic cut off rules be reviewed, review C-13 and the other vintage type class.

6.  Look at 650 supersport class and turn into a catch all class including other bikes. Including 750/900 2 valve air-cooled four strokes (ducaties).

7.  Section D, page 20-first 2 bullets are now longer used, should be changed.

8.  Clubman classes with 7 & 7 lap races should they be 4 lap heats with 10 lap mains?  7 & 7 lap races with Olympic scoring makes the generation of results difficult.

9.  Should clubman classes and the modern bike races be put on separate days? Discussion came that this would be difficult, as we are not guaranteed 2-day events from PIR. Also this might strain volunteer commitments and insurance costs.

10.   Board should look at the money classes. Change 7S to a trophy class and 650GP twins to a money class. Many people in 6s do not run 7S due to money for the entry fee.

11.  Section K needs penalties wording for conduct. What we do to people and also for conduct of vendors. Put it under K-2 also put reference to vendors with reference also to competitors.

12.  Move to Quarterly membership meetings due to attendance problems.


Next Meeting October 6, 2004, 7:30 p.m. at Hooters Restaurant in Beaverton. Next meeting after that would be on October13th.

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October 6, 2004, 7:48pm to 9:30

Location: Hooters Restaurant, Beaverton, Oregon

Attending: Frank Berthold, TJ Janss, Simon Pierre-Smith, Chris Locatell, John 
Acerbi, Dave Herring, and Herb Wagner

Frank Berthold- Rules Committee Chairman, and Herb Wagner- Secretary.

A: Items That Need To Be Voted On by the Membership
1.Section D, page 20-first 2 bullets are now longer used, should be changed. 
This is an item relating to bike number allotments and is an administrative 
issue. However it is in the section to be voted on by the membership. Janice 
Logan to write up a statement on this item.

B: Items That Require Further Discussion

1.Allow 500cc open single four strokes into the 250 GP class. Committee 
discussed to have people write up pro & cons for this item. 

2.Review scoring grid of senior classes and wording in rulebook. B-6 is in 
violation of M-5. Senior is to be its own class and scored separately from the 
originating class. Change wording in rulebook section B-6 to eliminate conflict 
of having a race in a race. This also solves computer and scoring problems. 
Rules committee discussed to put this item to the board for consideration and 
a determination. After a determination is made then more work will be done 
on this item.

3.Look at 650 supersport class and turn into a catch all class including other 
bikes (similar to middleweight superbike). Including 750/900 2 valve air-
cooled four strokes (Ducati). New item-Look at Paul Godio handout for class 
description. SPS to write it up to a rule ballot item.  Class would include 425cc 
multi cylinder two strokes, up to 500cc twin cylinder two strokes, up to 
600ccmulti cylinder four strokes (up to and including 1990 models), up to 
650cc twin cylinder four strokes, up to 900cc three-cylinder motorcycles with 
steel frames, up to 1200 twin-cylinder four strokes, and open single cylinder 
two or four strokes.

4.Section K needs penalties wording for conduct. What we do to people and 
also for conduct of vendors. Put it under K-2 also put reference to vendors 
with reference also to competitors. Ask people for pro and con arguments.

5.Look at eliminating 7P and 7S grids due to only one manufacturer making the 
bikes now. We will look at the grids. Also what other bikes can we put on 
these grids for more people racing? Item referred for more discussion.This 
was brought up by one of the racers unable to attend the meeting.

6.An item was brought up regarding 650 twins (Suzuki 650's) populating more 
classes. Some grids like 4S machines have been displaced from their grids. 
Item to be discussed further by the committee. Have we allowed a bike into a 
class that has made the original bikes in that class obsolete?

C: Items that are Administrative Not Requiring a Membership Vote
1.Break down of endurance rules. It has been reported that Les Green has 
done this and the wording just needs to be put in the rulebook. Needs to be 
put in the book. Has been already been voted on by the board.

D: Items That Were Discussed and Require No Further Action
1.Move to quarterly membership meetings due to attendance problems. This 
item seems it is a bylaws issue and should be taken up by the Advisory Board 
or the New Board.

2.Board should look at the money classes. Change 7S to a trophy class and 
650GP (6T) twins to a money class. Many people in 6s do not run 7S due to 
money for the entry fee. Recommend to be looked at by the board. 
Committee suggested that the board not drop any money classes, as this is 
the first year since year they have been changed.

3.Black and green flag for oil on the track. This item was discussed and the 
consensus came to that it was too complicated.

4.Should smallbore classic cut off rules be reviewed, review C-13 and the other 
vintage type class. Discussed to have no further action on this item.

5.Clubman classes with 7 & 7 lap races should they be 4 lap heats with 10 lap 
mains?  7 & 7 lap races with Olympic scoring makes the generation of results 
difficult. Simon has received negative response to this proposal and the 
committee decided to drop this item. Much discussion on this item.

6.Should clubman classes and the modern bike races be put on separate days? 
Discussion came that this would be difficult, as we are not guaranteed 2-day 
events from PIR. Also this might strain volunteer commitments and insurance 
costs. Discussion on this item reasoned that this might lessen the gate, also it 
would definitely strain the volunteers. Also it would strain the classes, as it 
would put a bind to some peoples racing. Committee decided to drop this 
item.

Next Meeting October 13, 2004, 7:30 p.m. at Hooters Restaurant in Beaverton. 

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October 13, 2004, 7:30pm to 9:20 p.m.

Location: Hooters Restaurant, Beaverton, Oregon

Attending: Frank Berthold, TJ Janss, Simon Pierre-Smith, Chris Locatell, John Acerbi, Dave Herring, Kimberly Wood and Herb Wagner

Frank Berthold- Rules Committee Chairman, and Herb Wagner- Secretary.

A: Items That Need To Be Voted On by the Membership
1.Section D, page 20-first 2 bullets are now longer used, should be changed. This is an item relating to bike number allotments and is an administrative issue. However it is in the section to be voted on by the membership. Janice Logan to write up a statement on this item.

B: Items That Require Further Discussion

1.Allow 500cc open single four strokes into the 250 GP class. People write up pro & cons for this item. 

2.Should the Supersport rules, section B-3 be revised to change "up to 650 cc's Twins" to "Middleweight Supersport", and shall a bullet be added to Section B-4 stating;

Section B-7:
Middleweight Supersport consists of:
Up to 425 cc multi-cylinder, two stroke motorcycles;
Up to 500 cc twin-cylinder, two stroke motorcycles;
Up to 600 cc multi-cylinder, four stroke motorcycles (up to and including 1990 models);
Up to 650 cc twin-cylinder, four stroke motorcycles;
Up to 900 cc three-cylinder, two valve, four stroke motorcycles with steel frames;
Up to 1200 cc twin-cylinder, two valve, four stroke motorcycles;
Open single cylinder two or four stroke motorcycles.

3.Section K needs penalties wording for conduct. What we do to people and also for conduct of vendors. Put it under K-2 also put reference to vendors with reference also to competitors. Ask people for pro and con arguments. 

Much discussion about racer, vendor, and also pocket-bike racer/parent conduct. Committee members are going to research what other race organizations have and will discuss this issue further.


4.An item was brought up regarding 650 twins (Suzuki 650's) populating more classes. Some grids like 4S machines have been displaced from their grids. Item to be discussed further by the committee. Have we allowed a bike into a class that has made the original bikes in that class obsolete? 

Talked about this item for a lot of different alternatives. Most plausible solution would be to have a 650  twin cut off year to exclude the Suzuki 650's from this grid. Suzuki 650's  have four very competitive grids to race on still. Write up wording for this to be done. Suzuki 650's came out in 1999.

C: Items that are Administrative Not Requiring a Membership Vote
1.Break down of endurance rules. It has been reported that Les Green has done this and the wording just needs to be put in the rulebook. Needs to be put in the book. Has been already been voted on by the board.

2.Review scoring grid of senior classes and wording in rulebook. B-6 is in violation of M-5. Senior is to be its own class and scored separately from the originating class. Change wording in rulebook section B-6 to eliminate conflict of having a race in a race. This also solves computer and scoring problems. Rules committee discussed to put this item to the board for consideration and a determination. After a determination is made then more work will be done on this item. Discussion on 10/13/04 suggested thought that M-5 should supersede B-6 so B-6 is not applicable.

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October 28, 2004, 7:30pm to 9:20 p.m.

Location: Hooters Restaurant, Beaverton, Oregon

Attending: Frank Berthold, Simon Pierre-Smith, Chris Locatell, John Acerbi, Dave Herring, Ben Waller, Eric Dorn, and Herb Wagner

Frank Berthold- Rules Committee Chairman, and Herb Wagner- Secretary.

New items were brought up at this meeting. Please the end of section "B" for further information.

A: Items That Need To Be Voted On by the Membership
1. Section D, page 20-first 2 bullets are now longer used, should be changed. This is an item relating to bike number allotments and is an administrative issue. However it is in the section to be voted on by the membership. Janice Logan to write up a statement on this item.

B: Items That Require Further Discussion

1. Allow 500cc open single four strokes into the 250 GP class. People write up pro & cons for this item. One member emailed in a concern: "On allowing 500 cc singles with the 250GP class: If this happens you must remove the 250GP class from running as a wave with the open superbikes. Open bikes are now capable of hitting 190+ mph; there is no way that a 500-cc single should be n the same track at the same time. Having 250GP running with the open superbikes is already dicey, especially since there are usually 125's mixed in there." This was presented as a safety issue that should be looked at.

2. Should the Supersport rules, section B-3 be revised to change "up to 650 cc's Twins" to "Middleweight Supersport", and shall a bullet be added to Section B-4 stating;

   Section B-7:
   Middleweight Supersport consists of:
   Up to 425 cc multi-cylinder, two stroke motorcycles;
   Up to 500 cc twin-cylinder, two stroke motorcycles;
   Up to 600 cc multi-cylinder, four stroke motorcycles (up to and including 1990 models);
   Up to 650 cc twin-cylinder, four stroke motorcycles;
   Up to 900 cc three-cylinder, two valve, four stroke motorcycles with steel frames;
   Up to 1200 cc twin-cylinder, two valve, four stroke motorcycles;
   Open single cylinder two or four stroke motorcycles.
   
At the meeting it was brought up that Ducati makes a 1000cc-touring bike with three valve heads, it I assumed that this bike is heavy and would not be a competitive bike.

3. Section K needs penalties wording for conduct. What we do to people and also for conduct of vendors. Put it under K-2 also put reference to vendors with reference also to competitors. Ask people for pro and con arguments. 

Much discussion about racer, vendor, and also pocket-bike racer/parent conduct. Committee members are going to research what other race organizations have and will discuss this issue further.

4. An item was brought up regarding 650 twins (Suzuki 650's) populating more classes. Some grids like 4S machines have been displaced from their grids. Item to be discussed further by the committee. Have we allowed a bike into a class that has made the original bikes in that class obsolete? 

Talked about this item for a lot of different alternatives. Most plausible solution would be to have a 650  twin cut off year to exclude the Suzuki 650's from this grid. Suzuki 650's  have four very competitive grids to race on still. Write up wording for this to be done. Suzuki 650's came out in 1999.

5. Consider eliminating overbore rules on superbikes and change to a set cc limit as similar to WMRRA. This would eliminate confusion on bore limits and be good to racers in both organizations. We need to check on the class sizes for the next meeting.

6. Should allow FZR 400's in smallbore classic superbike, this would most likely be their primary class. Small-bore classic has become a low raced class and it would open it up again.

7. Make the last event in October a double point's event to increase attendance and racing. "Shall the last race of the season be a double points event."

8. Should open displacement air-cooled 2 valve two cylinder push rod engines be allowed in 750 superbike?

9. Should 1,000 cc air-cooled two valve two cylinder push rod engines be allowed in 650 GP twins and 650 superbike?

10. Section f-5, change last sentence to: .unmodified air box with plugged drains, and add the words "OEM air injection system."

11. Page 15 paragraph 2-  Shall the wording be changed to: Updating (and insert backdating) changing specifications to a later insert or "earlier model year"
12. Add to section F-35 " All exhaust system springs shall be safety wired, which includes a wire through the spring coil."

C: Items that are Administrative Not Requiring a Membership Vote
1. Break down of endurance rules. It has been reported that Les Green has done this and the wording just needs to be put in the rulebook. Needs to be put in the book. Has been already been voted on by the board.

2. Review scoring grid of senior classes and wording in rulebook. B-6 is in violation of M-5. Senior is to be its own class and scored separately from the originating class. Change wording in rulebook section B-6 to eliminate conflict of having a race in a race. This also solves computer and scoring problems. Rules committee discussed to put this item to the board for consideration and a determination. After a determination is made then more work will be done on this item. Discussion on 10/13/04 suggested thought that M-5 should supersede B-6 so B-6 is not applicable. This was not brought up at the last board meeting. We will bring it up to the new board in November.

3. Typo error in I-4: Change to " At all OMRRA events there must be a qualified first aid attendant with equipment and transportation. The principal OMRRA official shall not allow.." From: The referee"

4. It was brought up to look at graduating novice times. We have new bikes in the classes and the times may not be reflective of what is prudent to have on the racetrack with the current crop of bikes. This is an item for the board to consider.

D: Items That Were Discussed and Require No Further Action
1. Move to quarterly membership meetings due to attendance problems. This item seems it is a bylaws issue and should be taken up by the Advisory Board or the New Board.

2. Board should look at the money classes. Change 7S to a trophy class and 650GP (6T) twins to a money class. Many people in 6s do not run 7S due to money for the entry fee. Recommend to be looked at by the board. Committee suggested that the board not drop any money classes, as this is the first year since year they have been changed.

3. Black and green flag for oil on the track. This item was discussed and the consensus came to that it was too complicated.

4. Should smallbore classic cut off rules be reviewed, review C-13 and the other vintage type class. Discussed to have no further action on this item.

5. Clubman classes with 7 & 7 lap races should they be 4 lap heats with 10 lap mains?  7 & 7 lap races with Olympic scoring makes the generation of results difficult. Simon has received negative response to this proposal and the committee decided to drop this item. Much discussion on this item.

6. Should clubman classes and the modern bike races be put on separate days? Discussion came that this would be difficult, as we are not guaranteed 2-day events from PIR. Also this might strain volunteer commitments and insurance costs. Discussion on this item reasoned that this might lessen the gate, also it would definitely strain the volunteers. Also it would strain the classes, as it would put a bind to some peoples racing. Committee decided to drop this item.

13. Look at eliminating 7P and 7S grids due to only one manufacturer making the bikes now. We will look at the grids. Also what other bikes can we put on these grids for more people racing? Item referred for more discussion.	This was brought up by one of the racers unable to attend the meeting.

Discussion brought out that we need a step up class for the 600 bikes as second class for the bikes. The 7S and 7P have 14 to 24 bikes according to the September grids. The grids still have bikes on them perhaps we should leave this item alone for now. Look at revisiting this again in a year.  An item for the board to consider.

Next Meeting November 3, 2004, 7:30 p.m., at Hooters Restaurant in Beaverton. Pocketbikes shall be discussed as the meeting topic. The pocket bike group is putting together some items for discussion and rule changes.

Send minutes to feedback@omrra.com

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November 10, 2004, 7:30pm to 10: 50 p.m.

Location: Hooters Restaurant, Beaverton, Oregon

Attending: Frank Berthold, Simon Pierre-Smith, Geoff Ford, Tyson Silva, Justin
Watkins, John Acerbi, Dave Herring, Ben Waller, Eric Dorn, and Herb Wagner

Frank Berthold- Rules Committee Chairman, and Herb Wagner- Secretary.

New items were brought up at this meeting. Please the end of section "B" for
further information.

A: Items That Need To Be Voted On by the Membership
1. Section D, page 20-first 2 bullets are now longer used, should be changed.
This is an item relating to bike number allotments and is an administrative
issue. However it is in the section to be voted on by the membership. Janice
Logan to write up a statement on this item.

2. Should the Supersport rules, section B-3 be revised to change "up to 650 cc's
Twins" to "Middleweight Supersport", and shall a bullet be added to Section B-4
stating;

   Section B-7:
   Middleweight Supersport consists of:
   Up to 425 cc multi-cylinder, two stroke motorcycles;
   Up to 500 cc twin-cylinder, two stroke motorcycles;
Up to 600 cc multi-cylinder, four stroke motorcycles (up to and including 1990
models);
   Up to 650 cc twin-cylinder, four stroke motorcycles;
   Up to 900 cc three-cylinder, two valve, four stroke motorcycles with steel
frames;
   Up to 1200 cc twin-cylinder, two valve, four stroke motorcycles;
   Open single cylinder two or four stroke motorcycles.
  
3. Make the last event in October a double point's event to increase attendance
and racing. "Shall the last race of the season be a double points event. "

   New Question from the discussion for item I-16:
"Shall the board determine that we have up two weekends during the year be
double points events that are to be determined before the publishing of the
seasons schedule."

4. Consider eliminating overbore rules on superbikes and change to a set cc
limit as similar to WMRRA. This would eliminate confusion on bore limits and be
good to racers in both organizations. We need to check on the class sizes for
the next meeting.

5.  Allow up to 2mm maximum overbore with the following limits not to exceed.

650 cc twins is a 680 cc
600cc bikes are limited to 640 cc
750cc bikes are limited to 800 cc

This would allow 636 Kawasaki's to run now and also this would align us with
WMRRA s their bikes should eligible to run down here.

6.	Should open displacement air-cooled 2 valve two cylinder push rod
engines be allowed in 750 Superbike?

7. Should allow FZR 400's in smallbore classic superbike, this would most likely
be their primary class. Small-bore classic has become a low raced class and it
would open it up again.

8.	Should 1,000 cc air-cooled two valve two cylinder push rod engines be
allowed in 650 GP twins and 650 Superbike? Example XB9

9. 	Add to section F-35 " All exhaust system springs shall be safety wired,
which includes a wire through the spring coil."

10. Page 15  section B-2 paragraph 2-  Shall the wording be changed to: Updating
(and insert backdating) changing specifications to a later insert or "earlier
model year"


B: Items That Require Further Discussion

1. Allow 500cc open single four strokes into the 250 GP class. People write up
pro & cons for this item. One member emailed in a concern: "On allowing 500 cc
singles with the 250GP class: If this happens you must remove the 250GP class
from running as a wave with the open superbikes. Open bikes are now capable of
hitting 190+ mph; there is no way that a 500-cc single should be n the same
track at the same time. Having 250GP running with the open superbikes is already
dicey, especially since there are usually 125's mixed in there." This was
presented as a safety issue that should be looked at.

We will present this to the members. See section C as part of this needs to go
to the board for moving the grid.

2. Section K needs penalties wording for conduct. What we do to people and also
for conduct of vendors. Put it under K-2 also put reference to vendors with
reference also to competitors. Ask people for pro and con arguments.

Much discussion about racer, vendor, and also pocket-bike racer/parent conduct.
Committee members are going to research what other race organizations have and
will discuss this issue further.

   This item is to go to the board, work up wording.

3. Review Tyson's proposals in two weeks; see attachment of 8 pages. This will
be the first topic at the meeting. PLEASE REVIEW THE NOTES, TYSON HAS MADE SOME
CHANGES SINCE THE LAST MEETING.

4. Change Open GP twins to Open Twins Supersport and Open Twins Superbike.

   New proposal this meeting. Need wording for ballot.

C: Items that are Administrative Not Requiring a Membership Vote
1. Break down of endurance rules. It has been reported that Les Green has done
this and the wording just needs to be put in the rulebook. Needs to be put in
the book. Has been already been voted on by the board.

2. Review scoring grid of senior classes and wording in rulebook. B-6 is in
violation of M-5. Senior is to be its own class and scored separately from the
originating class. Change wording in rulebook section B-6 to eliminate conflict
of having a race in a race. This also solves computer and scoring problems.
Rules committee discussed to put this item to the board for consideration and a
determination. After a determination is made then more work will be done on this
item. Discussion on 10/13/04 suggested thought that M-5 should supersede B-6 so
B-6 is not applicable. This was not brought up at the last board meeting. We
will bring it up to the new board in November.

3. Typo error in I-4: Change to " At all OMRRA events there must be a qualified
first aid attendant with equipment and transportation. The principal OMRRA
official shall not allow...." From: The referee"

4. It was brought up to look at graduating novice times. We have new bikes in
the classes and the times may not be reflective of what is prudent to have on
the racetrack with the current crop of bikes. This is an item for the board to
consider.

5. Allow 500cc open single four strokes into the 250 GP class. One member
emailed in a concern: "On allowing 500 cc singles with the 250GP class: If this
happens you must remove the 250GP class from running as a wave with the open
superbikes. Open bikes are now capable of hitting 190+ mph; there is no way that
a 500-cc single should be n the same track at the same time. Having 250GP
running with the open superbikes is already dicey, especially since there are
usually 125's mixed in there." This was presented as a safety issue that should
be looked at.

The 250 GP grid is recommended to move to the 750 Superbike grid to eliminate
the problem of closing speeds. This is a board issue to consider.

6. 	Section F-6, change last sentence to: ...unmodified air box with plugged
drains, and add the words "OEM air injection system." This is an item for the
board to vote on.


D: Items That Were Discussed and Require No Further Action
1. Move to quarterly membership meetings due to attendance problems. This item
seems it is a bylaws issue and should be taken up by the Advisory Board or the
New Board.

2. Board should look at the money classes. Change 7S to a trophy class and 650GP
(6T) twins to a money class. Many people in 6s do not run 7S due to money for
the entry fee. Recommend to be looked at by the board. Committee suggested that
the board not drop any money classes, as this is the first year since year they
have been changed.

3. Black and green flag for oil on the track. This item was discussed and the
consensus came to that it was too complicated.

4. Should smallbore classic cut off rules be reviewed, review C-13 and the other
vintage type class. Discussed to have no further action on this item.

5. Clubman classes with 7 & 7 lap races should they be 4 lap heats with 10 lap
mains?  7 & 7 lap races with Olympic scoring makes the generation of results
difficult. Simon has received negative response to this proposal and the
committee decided to drop this item. Much discussion on this item.

6. Should clubman classes and the modern bike races be put on separate days?
Discussion came that this would be difficult, as we are not guaranteed 2-day
events from PIR. Also this might strain volunteer commitments and insurance
costs. Discussion on this item reasoned that this might lessen the gate, also it
would definitely strain the volunteers. Also it would strain the classes, as it
would put a bind to some peoples racing. Committee decided to drop this item.

7. Look at eliminating 7P and 7S grids due to only one manufacturer making the
bikes now. We will look at the grids. Also what other bikes can we put on these
grids for more people racing? Item referred for more discussion.	This was
brought up by one of the racers unable to attend the meeting.

Discussion brought out that we need a step up class for the 600 bikes as second
class for the bikes. The 7S and 7P have 14 to 24 bikes according to the
September grids. The grids still have bikes on them perhaps we should leave this
item alone for now. Look at revisiting this again in a year.  An item for the
board to consider.

8. An item was brought up regarding 650 twins (Suzuki 650's) populating more
classes. Some grids like 4S machines have been displaced from their grids. Item
to be discussed further by the committee. Have we allowed a bike into a class
that has made the original bikes in that class obsolete?

Talked about this item for a lot of different alternatives. Most plausible
solution would be to have a 650  twin cut off year to exclude the Suzuki 650's
from this grid. Suzuki 650's  have four very competitive grids to race on still.
Write up wording for this to be done. Suzuki 650's came out in 1999.

This item relates to question A-7. They go together and are related. Question
A-7 is the one we will propose to the members to vote on. This item is for no
further action.

Next Meeting November 24, 2004, 7:30 p.m., at Hooters Restaurant in Beaverton.
Pocketbikes shall be discussed as the meeting topic.

Send minutes to feedback@omrra.com

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November 24, 2004, 7:30pm to 11:30 p.m.

Location: Hooters Restaurant, Beaverton, Oregon

Attending: Frank Berthold, Simon Pierre-Smith, Geoff Ford, Tyson Silva, and Herb 
Wagner.

Frank Berthold, Rules Committee Chairman and Herb Wagner, Secretary.


A: Items That Need To Be Voted On by the Membership
1.	Section D, page 20-first 2 bullets are now longer used, should be changed. This is 
an item relating to bike number allotments and is an administrative issue. 
However it is in the section to be voted on by the membership. Janice Logan to 
write up a statement on this item.

2.	Should the Supersport rules, section B-3 be revised to change "up to 650 cc's 
Twins" to "Middleweight Supersport", and shall a bullet be added to Section B-4 
stating;

   Section B-7:
   Middleweight Supersport consists of:
   Up to 425 cc multi-cylinder, two stroke motorcycles;
   Up to 500 cc twin-cylinder, two stroke motorcycles;
Up to 600 cc multi-cylinder, four stroke motorcycles (up to and including 1990 
models);
   Up to 650 cc twin-cylinder, four stroke motorcycles;
   Up to 900 cc three-cylinder, two valve, four stroke motorcycles with steel frames;
   Up to 1200 cc twin-cylinder, two valve, four stroke motorcycles;
   Open single cylinder two or four stroke motorcycles.
   
3.	Make the last event in October a double point's event to increase attendance and 
racing. "Shall the last race of the season be a double point's event. "

   New Question from the discussion for item I-16:
"Shall the board determine that we have up two weekends during the year be 
double point's events that are to be determined before the publishing of the 
season's schedule."

4.	Consider eliminating overbore rules on superbikes and change to a set cc limit as 
similar to WMRRA. This would eliminate confusion on bore limits and be good to 
racers in both organizations. We need to check on the class sizes for the next 
meeting.

5.  Allow up to 2mm maximum overbore with the following limits not to exceed.

650 cc twins is a 680 cc
600 cc bikes are limited to 640 cc
750 cc bikes are limited to 800 cc

This would allow 636 Kawasaki's to run now and also this would align us with 
WMRRA s their bikes should eligible to run down here.

6.	Should open displacement air-cooled 2 valve two cylinder push rod engines be 
allowed in 750 Superbike?

7.	Should allow FZR 400's in smallbore classic superbike, this would most likely be 
their primary class. Small-bore classic has become a low raced class and it would 
open it up again.

8.	Should 1,000 cc air-cooled two valve two cylinder push rod engines be allowed in 
650 GP twins and 650 Superbike? Example XB9

9. 	Add to section F-35 " All exhaust system springs, except for springs that connect 
to the cylinder or head, shall be safety wired, which includes a wire through the 
spring coil."

10. Page 15  section B-2 paragraph 2-  Shall the wording be changed to: Updating 
(and insert backdating) changing specifications to a later insert or "earlier model 
year"
11. Shall 400 cc bikes limited to 450 cc? This would allow FZR 400's remain 
competitive with newer bikes.

12. Allow 500cc open single four strokes into the 250 GP class. People write up pro & 
cons for this item. One member emailed in a concern: "On allowing 500 cc singles 
with the 250GP class: If this happens you must remove the 250GP class from 
running as a wave with the open superbikes. Open bikes are now capable of 
hitting 190+ mph; there is no way that a 500-cc single should be n the same track 
at the same time. Having 250GP running with the open superbikes is already 
dicey, especially since there are usually 125's mixed in there." This was 
presented as a safety issue that should be looked at. 

We will present this to the members. See section C as part of this needs to go to 
the board for moving the grid.

13.	Running an entire season and finishing in the top 10 in overall season points is a 
very difficult thing to do.
   
This accomplishment is not currently recognized for finishers 6-10.
      1.  Propose that the top ten finishers be recognized for their efforts.
      a.Current (D-5) Rule:
"...The number 1 through 499 are reserved for "home" riders.  
Riders of long standing must petition the registrar before 
February 1st for an exception to be made to this rule.  The 
first five (5) OMRRA overall season points leaders may use 
numbers 1 through 5, or trade them, and their regular 
numbers will be reserved for one (1) year."
      b.Proposed (D-5) Rule:
"...The first ten (10) OMRRA season points leaders may use 
numbers 1 through 10, or trade them, and their regular 
numbers will be reserved for (1) year."
			c: This rule to be implemented for the 2006 race season.

14. Ambiguous distance to determine whether or not the pass occurred outside of 
or within the 100-foot limit.  
   
Proposed re-wording of the rule and to include the exact measurement of 
where passing must not occur.
      1.  Current (J-6) Rule:
"When the yellow flag is waving, it is a warning that immediate 
danger lies ahead.  A waving yellow flag zone begins 100 feet 
prior to the waving yellow flag and ends immediately past the 
incident.  Riders should proceed with caution and shall not pass 
within this zone.  A waiving yellow flag is defined as waving or 
away from the turn worker's body.  A stationary yellow flag is 
held against the turn worker's body.  Any rider who violates the 
above shall be disqualified at the discretion of the referee."
2.	Proposed (J-6) Rule:
"When the yellow flag is waving, it is a warning that immediate 
danger lies ahead.  A waiving yellow flag zone begins 100 feet 
prior to the waving yellow flag (turn station) and is designated by 
a small orange cone to the outside of the track.  Riders should 
not pass within this zone.  Turn workers will use that orange 
cone as reference to more accurately determine the 100-foot 
distance.  A waiving yellow flag . . . . A stationary yellow flag . . . . 
Any rider who violates the above will be penalized five (5) 
finishing positions or disqualified at the discretion of the referee."
CON Argument:
This proposal is fraught with hidden sources of contention and hazard. To begin, 
placing a marker would almost necessitate a spotter at each entrance, and by 
extension of the premise, one on the exit to verify the exact moment of entry and exit 
of each zone. Currently we rely on workers that report glaringly obvious and 
uncorrected passes that are well in the zone. Secondly, and more to the point, setting 
"no passing" indicators is incentive for racers to execute passes prior to designated 
point and thus increasing the potential for an unsafe situation as they enter the 
zones. 

However, I can agree to modification of the range of penalties available as they may 
currently be too restrictive.


15. "Due to unforeseen circumstances shall the starter have the authority to add a 
fifth grid position to a row."


B: Items That Require Further Discussion

1.	Edit in Tyson's changes from the paper notes.

2.	Change Open GP twins to Open Twins Supersport and Open Twins Superbike.

3.	Page 21 (D-13) needs discussion as to whether or not racers who request a 
refund should be counted in official scoring as an entrant.  
a.	Discuss the possibility of partial refunds. 
b.	Close the loophole that exists for "racers" to pre-enter with no 
intention of racing that class, get a refund just to have the entry 
number increased so that more championship points can be earned 
for someone else.  
Item tabled for further discussion.

4. Proposal:  (F-28) should be removed in its entirety.  Review for further discussion.

5. Proposal:  Page 28 (I-9)  Should also have a provision which states that bikes 
unable to continue (i.e., down and out rule) should also not be scored as a 
finisher. Look at rule book for next meeting discussion, this should already be 
in there.

6.	Overall Season Championship points are awarded based on numbers of 
entrants in the particular classes.  

It is much more difficult to finish 1st against 37 or more than against 20.  

The points should be awarded as such.  Also, the deeper the fields the 
deeper the points payouts should be.
1. Recommendation:  Season points payout modification change as 
illustrated 
    	    below:
a.	Current (M-8) Points Schedule
      Entries	3-7	8-13	14-19	20+
1st Place	4	7	9	11
2nd Place	2	5	7	9
3rd Place	1	4	6	8
4th Place		3	5	7
5th Place		2	4	6
6th Place		1	3	5
7th Place			2	4
8th Place			1	3
9th Place				2
10th Place 				1
b.	Proposed (M-8) Points Schedule
      Entries	3-6	7-12	13-18	19-27	28-36	37+
1st Place	4	7	9	11	13	15
2nd Place	2	5	7	9	11	13
3rd Place	1	4	6	8	10	12
4th Place		3	5	7	9	11
5th Place		2	4	6	8	10
6th Place		1	3	5	7	9
7th Place			2	4	6	8
8th Place			1	3	5	7
9th Place				2	4	6
10th Place 				1	3	5
11th Place					2	4
12th Place					1	3
13th Place						2
14th Place						1

Non-member scoring
1.  Currently, non-members are NOT scored as finishers of a race (for 
overall and     
      class season points positions.
2.	Non-members are allowed to race and are counted as an entrant 
once the morning registration procedures are followed.
3.	For example, if an OMRRA member finishes in first place followed 
by nine (9) non-members and in eleventh (11) is the next OMRRA 
member, that second member is scored as finishing in 2nd place for 
season and class points calculations.  Does this really make sense 
to anyone?
4.	The rule book states that non-members will not be scored for overall 
season 
and class points finishes.  Nothing is stated at all that the other 
finishers are moved up into positions they did not actually finish 
in.
5.	I'm all for ONLY MEMBERS being counted in scoring for class and 
season points championships.
6.	I'm firmly against any racer being awarded any finish position that 
they did not earn.
7.	Proposal
a.	Class and Overall Season points should ONLY be awarded 
for the ACTUAL position in which the member finished.
	b.   If a class runs and the top 5 are non-members, the 6th place 
member finisher receives points for their 6th place finish, 
which is he highest points paying position for that class that 
day.
	c.   Likewise, if the 2nd, 4th, 6th, 9th, and 10th place finishers are 
non-members, the members who finished in 1st, 3rd, 5th, 7th, 
and	 8th , would receive only those points associated 
with their finish position.
	d.   All entrants who follow the published registration procedures 
are counted as an entrant for season and class points 
calculations.

 	E.  Grid Positions (M-11)
1.	Rule is outdated since manual scoring is just the back-up to the 
electronic transponder scoring and the grid layouts are different for 
some of the classes.  Proposed rule change below.
a.	Current (m-11) rule:
"During grid qualifiers scoring will only guarantee the 
accuracy of only the top eleven (11) riders (the first two 
grid rows).  The remainder of the qualifier heat results will 
be approximate."
b.	Proposed (m-11) rule:
"During grid qualifiers scoring will guarantee the top 
sixteen (16) riders (first four grid rows) based on season 
points for that class.  For the first event of the year, the 
qualifier grids first 4 rows will be guaranteed based on 
class points position at prior year end.  For race weekend 
#2 season class points from race weekend #1, for race 
weekend #3 season points to date after the #2 event (race 
#1 and #2 totals), and so on through the year.  Grid 
positions for the main event will be guaranteed based on 
the finish position during the morning qualifier to the first 6 
rows (24 riders).  All other rows (grid positions) are 
approximate."
This whole item # 6. to be reviewed and discussed further at the next meeting.

7.  Item was discussed about 7 and 7 races. Write something up for 7 and 7 lap races 
and the elimination of Olympic scoring. For the first race of the year the grid positions 
are based upon last seasons results.

8. 	a. Page 40 (N-9) is not specific enough for imposing monetary penalties.  The 
"official" needs to be the referee/VP approval to impose fines.

b. Page 40 (N-11) should include bad/non existent safety wire jobs and other 
failed fluid retaining equipment NOT just case covers.  Further propose that 
records be kept on "oilers" to determine if there racing privileges with that 
machine should be revoked.
Review topic for further discussion at next meeting.


C: Items that are Administrative Not Requiring a Membership Vote-"Board 
Discussion Items"
1.	Break down of endurance rules. It has been reported that Les Green has done 
this and the wording just needs to be put in the rulebook. Needs to be put in the 
book. Has been already been voted on by the board.

2.	Review scoring grid of senior classes and wording in rulebook. B-6 is in violation 
of M-5. Senior is to be its own class and scored separately from the originating 
class. Change wording in rulebook section B-6 to eliminate conflict of having a 
race in a race. This also solves computer and scoring problems. Rules committee 
discussed to put this item to the board for consideration and a determination. After 
a determination is made then more work will be done on this item. Discussion on 
10/13/04 suggested thought that M-5 should supersede B-6 so B-6 is not 
applicable. This was not brought up at the last board meeting. We will bring it up 
to the new board in November.

3.	Typo error in I-4: Change to " At all OMRRA events there must be a qualified first 
aid attendant with equipment and transportation. The principal OMRRA official 
shall not allow...." From: The referee"

4.	It was brought up to look at graduating novice times. We have new bikes in the 
classes and the times may not be reflective of what is prudent to have on the 
racetrack with the current crop of bikes. This is an item for the board to consider.

5.	Allow 500cc open single four strokes into the 250 GP class. One member emailed 
in a concern: "On allowing 500 cc singles with the 250GP class: If this happens 
you must remove the 250GP class from running as a wave with the open 
superbikes. Open bikes are now capable of hitting 190+ mph; there is no way that 
a 500-cc single should be n the same track at the same time. Having 250GP 
running with the open superbikes is already dicey, especially since there are 
usually 125's mixed in there." This was presented as a safety issue that should be 
looked at. 

The 250 GP grid is recommended to move to the 750 Superbike grid to eliminate 
the problem of closing speeds. This is a board issue to consider.

6.	Section F-6, change last sentence to: ...unmodified air box with plugged drains, 
and add the words "OEM air injection system." This is an item for the board to 
vote on.
7.	Include in the rule book Novice section wording for the "Bye" provision for 
finishing a rain race event.  This has been passed by the board but it has not 
made it into the current rule book.
4.	Section K needs penalties wording for conduct. What we do to people and also 
for conduct of vendors. Put it under K-2 also put reference to vendors with 
reference also to competitors. Ask people for pro and con arguments. 

Much discussion about racer, vendor, and also pocket-bike racer/parent conduct. 
Committee members are going to research what other race organizations have 
and will discuss this issue further.

8.	Page 8 #12 states, novice "race".  Propose change from "race" to event.

9. 	Page 9 states, "On race day the grid will be completed 1/2 hour before all morning 
races, except the first two races.  Your grid position will be determined by:
The first 11 positions are assigned based on previous race finishing position for 
the following classes:  OS, 7P, 6P, 6S, MS, 2V.
   The order in which the pre-entries are received.
   Pre-entries defined as entries received 5 days prior to the event.
   All post entries assigned randomly to the back of the grid.
No more than an absolute maximum of fifty (50) motorcycles shall be allowed to 
race at once.  No exceptions will be made.
Priority, if any, will be given to riders in their primary class over those who have 
stepped up a class."
-Propose change to, "On race day the "qualifier" grids will be completed 
1/2 hour before all morning qualifying races, except the first two 
qualifiers.  Your grid position will be determined by:
The first 16 positions are assigned based on season class points and back to 
prior year end results for the first race of the new season for the for ALL 
CLASSES.
      The order in which the pre-entries are received.
      Pre-entries defined as entries received 5 days prior to the event.
      All post entries assigned randomly to the back of the grid.
No more than an absolute maximum of sixty (60) motorcycles shall be allowed 
to race at once.  No exceptions will be made.

10. Page 21 (D-9) states, "No rider's entry will be accepted after the close of 
registration , except in extreme circumstances."  Proposed change to read same as 
above with the following addition:  "determined by the leading OMRRA official."

11. Page 22 (E-3) states, "Novice riders:  Large contrasting "X" on back of helmet".
 
-Propose to have novice racers where orange T-shirts or wife beaters over 
their leathers.
2.	Needs to be enforced by ASIT at gear tech and visual 
inspection on the pre-grid.  
3.	Black flag if not in compliance.

12. Electronic transponder scoring is the primary method of scoring with the manual 
as a back-up.  There is no reason why 6" numbers would not suffice. 

-Proposal:  Allowing 6" black numbers on white backgrounds.  For side plate 
numbers and also for an exception for bikes with a center air inlet.

-Proposal:  (F-27) should be re-worded to state electronic transponder scoring 
(Dbcom) as the primary method of scoring. 

13. Page 28 (I-10) requires that money class participants be notified in advance in 
writing as to the payout schedule for the money classes.  
1.   This did not occur once this year in any event in any money class. 
2. Propose this be reviewed and printed out to the membership.

14. Proposal:  Page 31 (J-8/9) should be amended to read that whenever an 
ambulance is dispatched onto the track, this will result in an automatic red flag.  
However, the ambulance my cross the track at the discretion of race control without 
resulting in a red flag.

CON Argument:
This is an unnecessary revision as Track Control is responsible for determining if it is 
safe and prudent to direct an ambulance onto the track during race conditions. In 
which case the rule book states:

(J-8) The white/red cross signal is used only in a main (final) event and will be 
displayed in the event that an ambulance or service vehicle is on the race track.
* If an ambulance is required during a practice session or novice and grid qualifying
heats, the race will be red flagged.
 *The white/red cross signal will be displayed at the start/finish line. As the 
ambulance passes from one corner station to the next, the flag will be displayed at 
each station that the ambulance has passed.
*These procedures will permit riders to know the position of the ambulance on the
track at all times. Riders, corner workers, and ambulance personnel will follow the
procedure outlined in Section (J-8). [note: this should read (J-9)]

(J-9) In the event an ambulance is called onto the racetrack, the procedure is as 
follows:
The ambulance will travel in the direction of the racecourse only.
 *The white/red cross signal will be displayed at the start/finish line. As the 
ambulance passes from one corner station to the next, the flag will be displayed at 
each station that the ambulance had passed to alert riders that the ambulance is on 
the track.
 *The ambulance will keep to the inside of the track at all times until it arrives at the 
scene of the accident. When the ambulance arrives at the scene of the accident, the 
driver will clearly signal his or her intentions.
* Riders may pass the ambulance on the outside of the track and only one (1) 
abreast at a VERY reduced speed.
* Corner workers will be instructed to report to the control tower the number(s) of the
motorcycle or motorcycles that pass inside the ambulance, at racing speeds or more 
than one abreast.
 *At the discretion of the referee, riders who do not observe this rule will be 
disqualified from the days racing activities. Ambulance personnel will be advised of 
this procedure prior to each days event. Competitors will be advised of this procedure 
at every rider's meeting prior to each days event.
* A practice session or a grid qualifying heat will be red flagged before an ambulance 
is brought onto the track.

OMRRA does NOT allow racing around the ambulance and therefore the "scary" 
incident recently depicted at another venue would not occur. By not including this 
revision, it keeps all available options open during the course of the day.

15. Page 31 (J-11) should have a set "minimum" number of workers to determine 
whether track is safe for racing.  
2.	Take the "feeling" out of the equation and make it a real number. Put 
the word and determination to be made by the leading OMRRA 
official for the day into the rule book.  
   2.   Could be a different number per turn station or a total amount.
   3.   Requires direct input from race control, but this should be in the 
rulebook for future reference for racers, volunteers, etc.

CON Argument:
Simply put, numbers do not equate to safety. For example: outside of Turn 3 requires 
fairly strong and robust individuals to accomplish the duties required, having a set 
number of, say, three or four and then staffing with four 100 lb. girls is not sufficient. 
This currently remains as a discretionary element based on specific factors of any 
given event. If someone wishes to remove "feels", then substitute the word 
"determines". 

16. Novice Racers should be required to volunteer "prior" to their expert race license 
being issued.

The novice who meets the competition requirement MUST also complete the 
volunteer requirement and have it documented by an OMRRA Vice President.
1. Current Appendix B #12:
"Volunteer four (4) hours of time to assist OMRRA (not 
necessarily on a race or practice day), if called upon."
2.	Proposed Appendix B #12:
"Novice racers MUST volunteer and minimum of eight (8) hours 
to assist OMRRA (not necessarily on a race or practice day).  
Expert race licenses will not be issued until this requirement is 
met.  See OMRRA operations for current volunteer 
opportunities." 

17. Appendix B should be changed to have novice racers where orange T-shirts or 
wife beaters over their leathers, present that as part of their gear tech to ASIT, along 
with the contrasting "X" on the helmet.


D: Items That Were Discussed and Require No Further Action
1.	Move to quarterly membership meetings due to attendance problems. This item 
seems it is a bylaws issue and should be taken up by the Advisory Board or the 
New Board.

2.	Board should look at the money classes. Change 7S to a trophy class and 650GP 
(6T) twins to a money class. Many people in 6s do not run 7S due to money for 
the entry fee. Recommend to be looked at by the board. Committee suggested 
that the board not drop any money classes, as this is the first year since year they 
have been changed.

3.	Black and green flag for oil on the track. This item was discussed and the 
consensus came to that it was too complicated.

4.	Should smallbore classic cut off rules be reviewed, review C-13 and the other 
vintage type class. Discussed to have no further action on this item.

5.	Clubman classes with 7 & 7 lap races should they be 4 lap heats with 10 lap 
mains?  7 & 7 lap races with Olympic scoring makes the generation of results 
difficult. Simon has received negative response to this proposal and the 
committee decided to drop this item. Much discussion on this item.

6.	Should clubman classes and the modern bike races be put on separate days? 
Discussion came that this would be difficult, as we are not guaranteed 2-day 
events from PIR. Also this might strain volunteer commitments and insurance 
costs. Discussion on this item reasoned that this might lessen the gate, also it 
would definitely strain the volunteers. Also it would strain the classes, as it would 
put a bind to some peoples racing. Committee decided to drop this item.

7.	Look at eliminating 7P and 7S grids due to only one manufacturer making the 
bikes now. We will look at the grids. Also what other bikes can we put on these 
grids for more people racing? Item referred for more discussion.	This was brought 
up by one of the racers unable to attend the meeting.

Discussion brought out that we need a step up class for the 600 bikes as second 
class for the bikes. The 7S and 7P have 14 to 24 bikes according to the 
September grids. The grids still have bikes on them perhaps we should leave this 
item alone for now. Look at revisiting this again in a year.  An item for the board to 
consider.

8.	An item was brought up regarding 650 twins (Suzuki 650's) populating more 
classes. Some grids like 4S machines have been displaced from their grids. Item 
to be discussed further by the committee. Have we allowed a bike into a class that 
has made the original bikes in that class obsolete? 

Talked about this item for a lot of different alternatives. Most plausible solution 
would be to have a 650  twin cut off year to exclude the Suzuki 650's from this 
grid. Suzuki 650's  have four very competitive grids to race on still. Write up 
wording for this to be done. Suzuki 650's came out in 1999.

This item relates to question A-7. They go together and are related. Question A-7 
is the one we will propose to the members to vote on. This item is for no further 
action.

Next Meeting December 1, 2004, 7:30 p.m., at Hooters Restaurant in Beaverton. 

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December 1, 2004, 7:30pm to 10:30 p.m.

Location: Canyon Pearl Restaurant, Beaverton, Oregon
Moved from Hooters due to a lack of room and noise.

Attending: Frank Berthold, Simon Pierre-Smith, Geoff Ford, TJ Janns, Dave Salmi, 
John Acerbi, Stewart Johnson, and Herb Wagner.

Frank Berthold, Rules Committee Chairman and Herb Wagner, Secretary.


A: Items That Need To Be Voted On by the Membership
1.Section D, page 20-first 2 bullets are now longer used, should be changed. 
This is an item relating to bike number allotments and is an administrative 
issue. However it is in the section to be voted on by the membership. Janice 
Logan to write up a statement on this item.

2.Should the Supersport rules, section B-3 be revised to change "up to 650 cc's 
Twins" to "Middleweight Supersport", and shall a bullet be added to Section B-
4 stating;

   Section B-7:
   Middleweight Supersport consists of:
   Up to 425 cc multi-cylinder, two stroke motorcycles;
   Up to 500 cc twin-cylinder, two stroke motorcycles;
Up to 600 cc multi-cylinder, four stroke motorcycles (up to and including 1990 
models);
   Up to 650 cc twin-cylinder, four stroke motorcycles;
   Up to 900 cc three-cylinder, two valve, four stroke motorcycles with steel frames;
   Up to 1200 cc twin-cylinder, two valve, four stroke motorcycles;
   Open single cylinder two or four stroke motorcycles.
   
3.Make the last event in October a double point's event to increase attendance 
and racing. "Shall the last race of the season be a double point's event. "

   New Question from the discussion for item I-16:
"Shall the board determine that we have up two weekends during the year be 
double point's events that are to be determined before the publishing of the 
season's schedule."

4.Consider eliminating overbore rules on superbikes and change to a set cc limit 
as similar to WMRRA. This would eliminate confusion on bore limits and be 
good to racers in both organizations. We need to check on the class sizes for 
the next meeting.

   Allow up to 2mm maximum overbore with the following limits not to exceed.

650 cc twins is a 680 cc
600 cc bikes are limited to 640 cc
750 cc bikes are limited to 800 cc

This would allow 636 Kawasaki's to run now and also this would align us with 
WMRRA s their bikes should eligible to run down here.

5.Should open displacement air-cooled 2 valve two cylinder push rod engines be 
allowed in 750 Superbike?

6.Should allow FZR 400's in smallbore classic superbike, this would most likely be 
their primary class. Small-bore classic has become a low raced class and it would 
open it up again.

7.Should 1,000 cc air-cooled two valve two cylinder push rod engines be allowed in 
650 GP twins and 650 Supersport? Example XB9

8.Add to section F-35 " All exhaust system springs, except for springs that connect 
to the cylinder or head, shall be safety wired, which includes a wire through the 
spring coil."

9. Page 15  section B-2 paragraph 2-  Shall the wording be changed to: Updating 
(and insert backdating) changing specifications to a later insert or "earlier model 
year"

10. Shall 400 cc bikes limited to 450 cc? This would allow FZR 400's remain 
competitive with newer bikes. We need to look at further 500 twins in 450 
Superbike.

11. Allow 500cc open single four strokes into the 250 GP class. People write up pro & 
cons for this item. One member emailed in a concern: "On allowing 500 cc singles 
with the 250GP class: If this happens you must remove the 250GP class from 
running as a wave with the open superbikes. Open bikes are now capable of 
hitting 190+ mph; there is no way that a 500-cc single should be n the same track 
at the same time. Having 250GP running with the open superbikes is already 
dicey, especially since there are usually 125's mixed in there." This was 
presented as a safety issue that should be looked at. 

We will present this to the members. See section C as part of this needs to go to 
the board for moving the grid.

12.Running an entire season and finishing in the top 10 in overall season points is a 
very difficult thing to do.
   
This accomplishment is not currently recognized for finishers 6-10.
      1.  Propose that the top ten finishers be recognized for their efforts.
      a.Current (D-5) Rule:
"...The number 1 through 499 are reserved for "home" riders.  
Riders of long standing must petition the registrar before 
February 1st for an exception to be made to this rule.  The 
first five (5) OMRRA overall season points leaders may use 
numbers 1 through 5, or trade them, and their regular 
numbers will be reserved for one (1) year."
      b.Proposed (D-5) Rule:
"...The first ten (10) OMRRA season points leaders may use 
numbers 1 through 10, or trade them, and their regular 
numbers will be reserved for (1) year."
			c: This rule to be implemented for the 2006 race season.

13. Ambiguous distance to determine whether or not the pass occurred outside of 
or within the 100-foot limit.  
   
Proposed re-wording of the rule and to include the exact measurement of 
where passing must not occur.
      1.  Current (J-6) Rule:
"When the yellow flag is waving, it is a warning that immediate 
danger lies ahead.  A waving yellow flag zone begins 100 feet 
prior to the waving yellow flag and ends immediately past the 
incident.  Riders should proceed with caution and shall not pass 
within this zone.  A waiving yellow flag is defined as waving or 
away from the turn worker's body.  A stationary yellow flag is 
held against the turn worker's body.  Any rider who violates the 
above shall be disqualified at the discretion of the referee."
2.Proposed (J-6) Rule:
"When the yellow flag is waving, it is a warning that immediate 
danger lies ahead.  A waiving yellow flag zone begins 100 feet 
prior to the waving yellow flag (turn station) and is designated by 
a small orange cone to the outside of the track.  Riders should 
not pass within this zone.  Turn workers will use that orange 
cone as reference to more accurately determine the 100-foot 
distance.  A waiving yellow flag . . . . A stationary yellow flag . . . . 

Check with the rule proposer to see if we can drop this rule to the station of the turn 
station. As turn station positioning can change during a race depending upon the 
situation.

This is a separate proposal. In addition to the above. "Any rider 
who violates the above, Maybe penalized position, laps, or 
disqualification at the discretion of the referee."
CON Argument:
This proposal is fraught with hidden sources of contention and hazard. To begin, 
placing a marker would almost necessitate a spotter at each entrance, and by 
extension of the premise, one on the exit to verify the exact moment of entry and exit 
of each zone. Currently we rely on workers that report glaringly obvious and 
uncorrected passes that are well in the zone. Secondly, and more to the point, setting 
"no passing" indicators is incentive for racers to execute passes prior to designated 
point and thus increasing the potential for an unsafe situation as they enter the 
zones. 

However, I can agree to modification of the range of penalties available as they may 
currently be too restrictive.


14. "Due to unforeseen circumstances shall the starter have the authority to add a 
fifth grid position to a row."

15. Should we Change Open GP twins to Open Twins Supersport and Open Twins 
Superbike?  This creates one more class for twins to race in.

16. Overall Season Championship points are awarded based on numbers of entrants 
in the particular classes.  

It is much more difficult to finish 1st against 37 or more than against 20.  

The points should be awarded as such.  Also, the deeper the fields the 
deeper the points awarded should be.
1. Season points awarded modification change as illustrated 
    	    below:
a.Current (M-8) Points Schedule
      Entries	3-7	8-13	14-19	20+
1st Place	4	7	9	11
2nd Place	2	5	7	9
3rd Place	1	4	6	8
4th Place		3	5	7
5th Place		2	4	6
6th Place		1	3	5
7th Place			2	4
8th Place			1	3
9th Place				2
10th Place 				1
b.Proposed (M-8) Points Schedule
      Entries	3-6	7-12	13-18	19-27	28-36	37+
1st Place	4	7	9	11	13	15
2nd Place	2	5	7	9	11	13
3rd Place	1	4	6	8	10	12
4th Place		3	5	7	9	11
5th Place		2	4	6	8	10
6th Place		1	3	5	7	9
7th Place			2	4	6	8
8th Place			1	3	5	7
9th Place				2	4	6
10th Place 				1	3	5
11th Place					2	4
12th Place					1	3
13th Place						2
      14th Place						1

17.Item was discussed about 7 and 7 races. Write something up for 7 and 7 lap 
races and the elimination of Olympic scoring. For the first race of the year the grid 
positions are based upon last seasons results.

18. Non-member scoring

Section M-1 Should racers only be scored for the actual finishing position they 
finshed in the club?

1.  Currently, non-members are NOT scored as finishers of a race (for 
overall and     
      class season points positions.
2.Non-members are allowed to race and are counted as an entrant 
once the morning registration procedures are followed.
3.For example, if an OMRRA member finishes in first place followed 
by nine (9) non-members and in eleventh (11) is the next OMRRA 
member, that second member is scored as finishing in 2nd place for 
season and class points calculations.  Does this really make sense 
to anyone?
4.The rule book states that non-members will not be scored for overall 
season 
and class points finishes.  Nothing is stated at all that the other 
finishers are moved up into positions they did not actually finish 
in.
5.I'm all for ONLY MEMBERS being counted in scoring for class and 
season points championships.
6.I'm firmly against any racer being awarded any finish position that 
they did not earn.
7.Proposal
a.Class and Overall Season points should ONLY be awarded 
for the ACTUAL position in which the member finished.
	b.   If a class runs and the top 5 are non-members, the 6th place 
member finisher receives points for their 6th place finish, 
which is he highest points paying position for that class that 
day.
	c.   Likewise, if the 2nd, 4th, 6th, 9th, and 10th place finishers are 
non-members, the members who finished in 1st, 3rd, 5th, 7th, 
and	 8th , would receive only those points associated 
with their finish position.
	d.   All entrants who follow the published registration procedures 
are counted as an entrant for season and class points 
calculations.

19. Should we include another bullet item under section N to say: "Any rider with 
bad/non existent safety wire jobs and other failed fluid retaining equipment not just 
case covers.  Further propose that records be kept on "oilers" to determine if there 
racing privileges with that machine should be revoked."

B: Items That Require Further Discussion

1.  	E.  Grid Positions (M-11)
1.Rule is outdated since manual scoring is just the back-up to the 
electronic transponder scoring and the grid layouts are different for 
some of the classes.  Proposed rule change below.
a.Current (m-11) rule:
"During grid qualifiers scoring will only guarantee the 
accuracy of only the top eleven (11) riders (the first two 
grid rows).  The remainder of the qualifier heat results will 
be approximate."
b.Proposed (m-11) rule:
"During grid qualifiers scoring will guarantee the top 
sixteen (16) riders (first four grid rows) based on season 
points for that class.  For the first event of the year, the 
qualifier grids first 4 rows will be guaranteed based on 
class point's position at prior year end.  For race weekend 
#2 season class points from race weekend #1, for race 
weekend #3 season points to date after the #2 event (race 
#1 and #2 totals), and so on through the year.  Grid 
positions for the main event will be guaranteed based on 
the finish position during the morning qualifier to the first 6 
rows (24 riders).  All other rows (grid positions) are 
approximate."

This item needs to be run by the software person to see if this is possible.


C: Items that are Administrative Not Requiring a Membership Vote-"Board 
Discussion Items"
1.Break down of endurance rules. It has been reported that Les Green has done 
this and the wording just needs to be put in the rulebook. Needs to be put in the 
book. Has been already been voted on by the board.

2.Review scoring grid of senior classes and wording in rulebook. B-6 is in violation 
of M-5. Senior is to be its own class and scored separately from the originating 
class. Change wording in rulebook section B-6 to eliminate conflict of having a 
race in a race. This also solves computer and scoring problems. Rules committee 
discussed to put this item to the board for consideration and a determination. After 
a determination is made then more work will be done on this item. Discussion on 
10/13/04 suggested thought that M-5 should supersede B-6 so B-6 is not 
applicable. This was not brought up at the last board meeting. We will bring it up 
to the new board in November.

3.Typo error in I-4: Change to "At all OMRRA events there must be a qualified first 
aid attendant with equipment and transportation. The principal OMRRA official 
shall not allow...." From: The referee"

4.It was brought up to look at graduating novice times. We have new bikes in the 
classes and the times may not be reflective of what is prudent to have on the 
racetrack with the current crop of bikes. This is an item for the board to consider.

5.Allow 500cc open single four strokes into the 250 GP class. One member emailed 
in a concern: "On allowing 500 cc singles with the 250GP class: If this happens 
you must remove the 250GP class from running as a wave with the open 
superbikes. Open bikes are now capable of hitting 190+ mph; there is no way that 
a 500-cc single should be n the same track at the same time. Having 250GP 
running with the open superbikes is already dicey, especially since there are 
usually 125's mixed in there." This was presented as a safety issue that should be 
looked at. 

The 250 GP grid is recommended to move to the 750 Superbike grid to eliminate 
the problem of closing speeds. This is a board issue to consider.

6.Section F-6, change last sentence to: ...unmodified air box with plugged drains, 
and add the words "OEM air injection system." This is an item for the board to 
vote on.
7.Include in the rule book Novice section wording for the "Bye" provision for 
finishing a rain race event.  This has been passed by the board but it has not 
made it into the current rule book.
1.Section K needs penalties wording for conduct. What we do to people and also 
for conduct of vendors. Put it under K-2 also put reference to vendors with 
reference also to competitors. Ask people for pro and con arguments. 

Much discussion about racer, vendor, and also pocket-bike racer/parent conduct. 
Committee members are going to research what other race organizations have 
and will discuss this issue further.

8.Page 8 #12 states, novice "race".  Propose change from "race" to event.

9. 	Page 9 states, "On race day the grid will be completed 1/2 hour before all morning 
races, except the first two races.  Your grid position will be determined by:
The first 11 positions are assigned based on previous race finishing position for 
the following classes:  OS, 7P, 6P, 6S, MS, 2V.
   The order in which the pre-entries are received.
   Pre-entries defined as entries received 5 days prior to the event.
   All post entries assigned randomly to the back of the grid.
No more than an absolute maximum of fifty (50) motorcycles shall be allowed to 
race at once.  No exceptions will be made.
Priority, if any, will be given to riders in their primary class over those who have 
stepped up a class."
-Propose change to, "On race day the "qualifier" grids will be completed 
1/2 hour before all morning qualifying races, except the first two 
qualifiers.  Your grid position will be determined by:
The first 16 positions are assigned based on season class points and back to 
prior year end results for the first race of the new season for the for ALL 
CLASSES.
      The order in which the pre-entries are received.
      Pre-entries defined as entries received 5 days prior to the event.
      All post entries assigned randomly to the back of the grid.
No more than an absolute maximum of sixty (60) motorcycles shall be allowed 
to race at once.  No exceptions will be made.

10. Page 21 (D-9) states, "No rider's entry will be accepted after the close of 
registration, except in extreme circumstances."  Proposed change to read same as 
above with the following addition:  "determined by the leading OMRRA official."

11. Page 22 (E-3) states, "Novice riders:  Large contrasting "X" on back of helmet".
 
-Propose to have novice racers where orange T-shirts or wife beaters over 
their leathers.
2.Needs to be enforced by ASIT at gear tech and visual 
inspection on the pre-grid.  
3.Black flag if not in compliance.

12. Electronic transponder scoring is the primary method of scoring with the manual 
as a back-up.  There is no reason why 6" numbers would not suffice. 

-Proposal:  Allowing 6" black numbers on white backgrounds.  For side plate 
numbers and also for an exception for bikes with a center air inlet.

-Proposal:  (F-27) should be re-worded to state electronic transponder scoring 
(Dbcom) as the primary method of scoring. 

13. Page 28 (I-10) requires that money class participants be notified in advance in 
writing as to the payout schedule for the money classes.  
1.   This did not occur once this year in any event in any money class. 
2. Propose this be reviewed and printed out to the membership.

14. Proposal:  Page 31 (J-8/9) should be amended to read that whenever an 
ambulance is dispatched onto the track, this will result in an automatic red flag.  
However, the ambulance my cross the track at the discretion of race control without 
resulting in a red flag.

CON Argument:
This is an unnecessary revision as Track Control is responsible for determining if it is 
safe and prudent to direct an ambulance onto the track during race conditions. In 
which case the rule book states:

(J-8) The white/red cross signal is used only in a main (final) event and will be 
displayed in the event that an ambulance or service vehicle is on the race track.
* If an ambulance is required during a practice session or novice and grid qualifying
heats, the race will be red flagged.
 *The white/red cross signal will be displayed at the start/finish line. As the 
ambulance passes from one corner station to the next, the flag will be displayed at 
each station that the ambulance has passed.
*These procedures will permit riders to know the position of the ambulance on the
track at all times. Riders, corner workers, and ambulance personnel will follow the
procedure outlined in Section (J-8). [note: this should read (J-9)]

(J-9) In the event an ambulance is called onto the racetrack, the procedure is as 
follows:
The ambulance will travel in the direction of the racecourse only.
 *The white/red cross signal will be displayed at the start/finish line. As the 
ambulance passes from one corner station to the next, the flag will be displayed at 
each station that the ambulance had passed to alert riders that the ambulance is on 
the track.
 *The ambulance will keep to the inside of the track at all times until it arrives at the 
scene of the accident. When the ambulance arrives at the scene of the accident, the 
driver will clearly signal his or her intentions.
* Riders may pass the ambulance on the outside of the track and only one (1) 
abreast at a VERY reduced speed.
* Corner workers will be instructed to report to the control tower the number(s) of the
motorcycle or motorcycles that pass inside the ambulance, at racing speeds or more 
than one abreast.
 *At the discretion of the referee, riders who do not observe this rule will be 
disqualified from the days racing activities. Ambulance personnel will be advised of 
this procedure prior to each day's event. Competitors will be advised of this 
procedure at every rider's meeting prior to each day's event.
* A practice session or a grid qualifying heat will be red flagged before an ambulance 
is brought onto the track.

OMRRA does NOT allow racing around the ambulance and therefore the "scary" 
incident recently depicted at another venue would not occur. By not including this 
revision, it keeps all available options open during the course of the day.

15. Page 31 (J-11) should have a set "minimum" number of workers to determine 
whether track is safe for racing.  
2.Take the "feeling" out of the equation and make it a real number. Put 
the word and determination to be made by the leading OMRRA 
official for the day into the rule book.  
   2.   Could be a different number per turn station or a total amount.
   3.   Requires direct input from race control, but this should be in the 
rulebook for future reference for racers, volunteers, etc.

CON Argument:
Simply put, numbers do not equate to safety. For example: outside of Turn 3 requires 
fairly strong and robust individuals to accomplish the duties required, having a set 
number of, say, three or four and then staffing with four 100 lb. girls is not sufficient. 
This currently remains as a discretionary element based on specific factors of any 
given event. If someone wishes to remove "feels", then substitute the word 
"determines". 

16. Novice Racers should be required to volunteer "prior" to their expert race license 
being issued.

The novice who meets the competition requirement MUST also complete the 
volunteer requirement and have it documented by an OMRRA Vice President.
1. Current Appendix B #12:
"Volunteer four (4) hours of time to assist OMRRA (not 
necessarily on a race or practice day), if called upon."
2.Proposed Appendix B #12:
"Novice racers MUST volunteer and minimum of eight (8) hours 
to assist OMRRA (not necessarily on a race or practice day).  
Expert race licenses will not be issued until this requirement is 
met.  See OMRRA operations for current volunteer 
opportunities." 

17. Appendix B should be changed to have novice racers where orange T-shirts or 
wife beaters over their leathers, present that as part of their gear tech to ASIT, along 
with the contrasting "X" on the helmet.

18. See A-14; suggest to the board that this be tried during the next race season to 
see if it can work. A suggestion also came up during the discussion to move the flag 
station positioning in turns 7 and 8.

19. Page 21 (D-13) needs discussion as to whether or not racers who request a 
refund should be counted in official scoring as an entrant.  
a.Discuss the possibility of partial refunds. 
Close the loophole that exists for "racers" to pre-enter with no intention of racing that 
class, get a refund just to have the entry number increased so that more 
championship points can be earned for someone else.
 
We need to better control our grids, document and entering races. This falls under 
un-sportsmanlike conduct and can be addressed by racers under protests. This can 
also be taken up next year.

20. Proposal:  (F-28) should be removed in its entirety. "Race bikes shall not be 
allowed onto the race track without number plates." This pertains to allowing bikes 
without number plates on the track without approval from the Head scorer or referee.

21. Page 40 (N-9) is not specific enough for imposing monetary penalties.  The 
"official" needs to be the leading OMRRA official at the track approval to impose 
fines.


D: Items That Were Discussed and Require No Further Action
1.Move to quarterly membership meetings due to attendance problems. This item 
seems it is a bylaws issue and should be taken up by the Advisory Board or the 
New Board.

2.Board should look at the money classes. Change 7S to a trophy class and 650GP 
(6T) twins to a money class. Many people in 6s do not run 7S due to money for 
the entry fee. Recommend to be looked at by the board. Committee suggested 
that the board not drop any money classes, as this is the first year since year they 
have been changed.

3.Black and green flag for oil on the track. This item was discussed and the 
consensus came to that it was too complicated.

4.Should smallbore classic cut off rules be reviewed, review C-13 and the other 
vintage type class. Discussed to have no further action on this item.

5.Clubman classes with 7 & 7 lap races should they be 4 lap heats with 10 lap 
mains?  7 & 7 lap races with Olympic scoring makes the generation of results 
difficult. Simon has received negative response to this proposal and the 
committee decided to drop this item. Much discussion on this item.

6.Should clubman classes and the modern bike races be put on separate days? 
Discussion came that this would be difficult, as we are not guaranteed 2-day 
events from PIR. Also this might strain volunteer commitments and insurance 
costs. Discussion on this item reasoned that this might lessen the gate; also it 
would definitely strain the volunteers. Also it would strain the classes, as it would 
put a bind to some peoples racing. Committee decided to drop this item.

7.Look at eliminating 7P and 7S grids due to only one manufacturer making the 
bikes now. We will look at the grids. Also what other bikes can we put on these 
grids for more people racing? Item referred for more discussion.This was brought 
up by one of the racers unable to attend the meeting.

Discussion brought out that we need a step up class for the 600 bikes as second 
class for the bikes. The 7S and 7P have 14 to 24 bikes according to the 
September grids. The grids still have bikes on them perhaps we should leave this 
item alone for now. Look at revisiting this again in a year.  An item for the board to 
consider.

8.An item was brought up regarding 650 twins (Suzuki 650's) populating more 
classes. Some grids like 4S machines have been displaced from their grids. Item 
to be discussed further by the committee. Have we allowed a bike into a class that 
has made the original bikes in that class obsolete? 

Talked about this item for a lot of different alternatives. Most plausible solution 
would be to have a 650  twin cut off year to exclude the Suzuki 650's from this 
grid. Suzuki 650's have four very competitive grids to race on still. Write up 
wording for this to be done. Suzuki 650's came out in 1999.

This item relates to question A-7. They go together and are related. Question A-7 
is the one we will propose to the members to vote on. This item is for no further 
action.

9. Page 28 (I-9) should also have a provision which states that bikes 
unable to continue (i.e., down and out rule) should also not be scored as a finisher. 
Look at rule book for next meeting discussion; this should already be in there. 

This was discussed and found not to be enforceable due to many different race 
scenarios and conditions.

Next Meeting December 8, 2004, 7:30 p.m., at Canyon Pearl Restaurant in 
Beaverton. 

Send minutes to feedback@omrra.com

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December 8, 2004, 7:30pm to 9:20 p.m.

Location: Canyon Pearl Restaurant, Beaverton, Oregon

Attending: Frank Berthold, Simon Pierre-Smith, Geoff Ford, John Acerbi, and Herb 
Wagner.

Frank Berthold, Rules Committee Chairman and Herb Wagner, Secretary.


A: Items That Need To Be Voted On by the Membership
1.Section D, page 20-first 2 bullets are now longer used, should be changed. 
This is an item relating to bike number allotments and is an administrative 
issue. However it is in the section to be voted on by the membership. Janice 
Logan to write up a statement on this item.

2.Should the Supersport rules, section B-3 be revised to change "up to 650 cc's 
Twins" to "Middleweight Supersport", and shall a bullet be added to Section B-
4 stating;

   Section B-7:
   Middleweight Supersport consists of:
   Up to 425 cc multi-cylinder, two stroke motorcycles;
   Up to 500 cc twin-cylinder, two stroke motorcycles;
Up to 600 cc multi-cylinder, four stroke motorcycles (up to and including 1990 
models);
   Up to 650 cc twin-cylinder, four stroke motorcycles;
   Up to 900 cc three-cylinder, two valve, four stroke motorcycles with steel frames;
   Up to 1200 cc twin-cylinder, two valve, four stroke motorcycles;
   Open single cylinder two or four stroke motorcycles.
   
3.Make the last event in October a double point's event to increase attendance 
and racing. "Shall the last race of the season be a double point's event. "

   New Question from the discussion for item I-16:
"Shall the board determine that we have up two weekends during the year be 
double point's events that are to be determined before the publishing of the 
season's schedule."

4.Consider eliminating overbore rules on superbikes and change to a set cc limit 
as similar to WMRRA. This would eliminate confusion on bore limits and be 
good to racers in both organizations. We need to check on the class sizes for 
the next meeting.

   Allow up to 2mm maximum overbore with the following limits not to exceed.

650 cc twins is a 680 cc
600 cc bikes are limited to 640 cc
750 cc bikes are limited to 800 cc

This would allow 636 Kawasaki's to run now and also this would align us with 
WMRRA s their bikes should eligible to run down here.

5.Should open displacement air-cooled 2 valve two cylinder push rod engines be 
allowed in 750 Superbike?

6.Should allow FZR 400's in smallbore classic superbike, this would most likely be 
their primary class. Small-bore classic has become a low raced class and it would 
open it up again.

Pro.  This change gives the FRZ400 a place to race and be competitive.  It also 
helps boost the Smallbore Classic grid which was dwindling.  FZR 400 can still 
race in 450 Superbike, but will still be dominated by the SV650.

7.Should 1,000 cc air-cooled two valve two cylinder push rod engines be allowed in 
650 GP twins and 650 Supersport (Middleweight Supersport)? Example XB9

8. 	Add to section F-35 " All exhaust system springs, except for springs that connect 
to the cylinder or head, shall be safety wired, which includes a wire through the 
spring coil."

9. Page 15  section B-2 paragraph 2-  Shall the wording be changed to: Updating 
(and insert backdating) changing specifications to a later insert or "earlier model 
year"

10. Shall 400 cc bikes limited to 450 cc? This would allow FZR 400's remain 
competitive with newer bikes. We need to look at further 500 twins in 450 
Superbike.
Modify C-6 as follows: 
Now reads: 
   "Up to 400cc multi-cylinder, four-stroke motorcycles" 
      "Up to 500cc multi-cylinder , air cooled, four-stroke motorcycles " 
      "Up to 650cc twin-cylinder, four-stroke motorcycles" 

Proposed change:
     "Up to 450cc multi-cylinder, four-stroke motorcycles" 
     "Up to 550cc multi-cylinder , air cooled, four-stroke motorcycles". 
     "Up to 700cc twin-cylinder, four-stroke motorcycles" 
 
Pro:  This will allow traditional 450SB bikes to be more competitive 
with the supersport legal SV650s currently allowed in 450SB.   

Pro.  This change still allows a class where Supersport SV650s can race and win.  
The addition of the other machines gives many of them a place to race where 
there was none previously.  It is unlikely that the admitted bikes will be quite 
capable of winning, but they will allow a variety of machines in the roster.
 
Con:  More cost for the racers who chose to modify their older 
bikes. 

11. Allow 500cc open single four strokes into the 250 GP class. People write up pro & 
cons for this item. One member emailed in a concern: "On allowing 500 cc singles 
with the 250GP class: If this happens you must remove the 250GP class from 
running as a wave with the open superbikes. Open bikes are now capable of 
hitting 190+ mph; there is no way that a 500-cc single should be n the same track 
at the same time. Having 250GP running with the open superbikes is already 
dicey, especially since there are usually 125's mixed in there." This was 
presented as a safety issue that should be looked at. 

We will present this to the members. See section C as part of this needs to go to 
the board for moving the grid.

12.Running an entire season and finishing in the top 10 in overall season points is a 
very difficult thing to do.
   
This accomplishment is not currently recognized for finishers 6-10.
      1.  Propose that the top ten finishers be recognized for their efforts.
      a. Current (D-5) Rule:
"...The number 1 through 499 are reserved for "home" riders.  
Riders of long standing must petition the registrar before 
February 1st for an exception to be made to this rule.  The 
first five (5) OMRRA overall season point's leaders may use 
numbers 1 through 5, or trade them, and their regular 
numbers will be reserved for one (1) year."
      b. Proposed (D-5) Rule:
"...The first ten (10) OMRRA season points leaders may use 
numbers 1 through 10, or trade them, and their regular 
numbers will be reserved for (1) year."
			c: This rule to be implemented for the 2006 race season.

13. Ambiguous distance to determine whether or not the pass occurred outside of 
or within the 100-foot limit.  
   
Proposed re-wording of the rule and to include the exact measurement of 
where passing must not occur.
      1.  Current (J-6) Rule:
"When the yellow flag is waving, it is a warning that immediate 
danger lies ahead.  A waving yellow flag zone begins 100 feet 
prior to the waving yellow flag and ends immediately past the 
incident.  Riders should proceed with caution and shall not pass 
within this zone.  A waiving yellow flag is defined as waving or 
away from the turn worker's body.  A stationary yellow flag is 
held against the turn worker's body.  Any rider who violates the 
above shall be disqualified at the discretion of the referee."
2.Proposed (J-6) Rule:
"When the yellow flag is waving, it is a warning that immediate 
danger lies ahead.  A waiving yellow flag zone begins 100 feet 
prior to the waving yellow flag (turn station) and is designated by 
a small orange cone to the outside of the track.  Riders should 
not pass within this zone.  Turn workers will use that orange 
cone as reference to more accurately determine the 100-foot 
distance.  A waiving yellow flag . . . . A stationary yellow flag . . . . 

*Two new questions have been made from this proposal to make this question more 
definable to reflect practices.
1. Should the start of the no passing zone be physically marked?

2. Should the physical marking of the no passing zone be a marker 100 feet from the 
flagger per rule J-6, or should the rule be revised so the no passing zone starts at the 
position of the flagger? 

CON Arguments:
This proposal is fraught with hidden sources of contention and hazard. To begin, 
placing a marker would almost necessitate a spotter at each entrance, and by 
extension of the premise, one on the exit to verify the exact moment of entry and exit 
of each zone. Currently we rely on workers that report glaringly obvious and 
uncorrected passes that are well in the zone. Secondly, and more to the point, setting 
"no passing" indicators is incentive for racers to execute passes prior to designated 
point and thus increasing the potential for an unsafe situation as they enter the 
zones. 

However, I can agree to modification of the range of penalties available as they may 
currently be too restrictive.

John and Carter have made great points. We all know an obvious pass under the 
waving when we see it and are not afraid to report it. A quiet group we are not.  
Another point I think of is where on the track are these cones suppose to sit so that 
the racer is suppose to see them and how many of these racers are going to hit the 
cone, for whatever reason (lines to wide, cone fixation, dirt tracking), and an initial 
incident is created requiring flagging and response by workers. Yeah the chance of 
this happening may be slim at best, but there are some slim odds that are not worth it 
    
Roxanne 
 
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I believe the cone just gives the rider another target to gain one last pass before an 
incident, because the rider will more often than not use the same brake marker that 
he would normally use coming into a corner. This distance should be a judgmental 
call on the corner worker and not the rider as the incident will changes from 
one place to another.  If the riders want to use the cone as a marker, I can move my 
incident zone back to turn 6 and then watch for violators! I'm sure I'll catch the ones 
that violate the rules the most with this!  
 
Thanks,
Tony
 
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Well Now, 
 
Once again we face a rule which covers both a racing issue and a safety issue.  The 
no passing area was established as a racing concern to prevent late braking passes 
coming into a hazard zone.  As I have observed, turn worker calls prior to the flag 
station have been made only for the obvious and intentional violations.  Most of the 
calls have been made when the pass happens between the flag station and the 
incident.  In all incidents, if the offender falls back to the previous position or the 
workers can not, without a doubt make the call, we always error in favor of the rider in 
question. 
 
Now the cone issue.  John's comment is right on the mark.  As far as safety is 
concerned, this simply establishes that final point to race to and is a potential for an 
additional incident for which the waving yellow is already displayed.  Many times on 
Turn 1 the flag has been moved up the track during an incident to signal a hazard in 
the brake marker section.  This would make the 100 foot cone area a moot point.  As 
we all know, when shit hits the fan, the last thing we are concerned with is if someone 
makes an illegal pass.  So without a camera at the cone, where will an unnecessary 
worker be found to watch for these violations.  Perhaps a referee could be stationed  
at each cone for this purpose, YA RIGHT! 
 
The penalties are a racing issue and should be decided by the board and the racers 
themselves.  As for the cone, I see it as a bigger concern to safety that a help in 
calling a rule violation.  I do not see the need for it. 
 
Bill Carter


14. "Due to unforeseen circumstances shall the starter have the authority to add a 
fifth grid position to a row."

15. Should we Change Open GP twins to Open Twins Supersport and Open Twins 
Superbike?  This creates one more class for twins to race in.

16. Overall Season Championship points are awarded based on numbers of entrants 
in the particular classes.  

It is much more difficult to finish 1st against 37 or more than against 20.  

The points should be awarded as such.  Also, the deeper the fields the 
deeper the points awarded should be.
1. Season points awarded modification change as illustrated 
    	    below:
a.Current (M-8) Points Schedule
      Entries	3-7	8-13	14-19	20+
1st Place	4	7	9	11
2nd Place	2	5	7	9
3rd Place	1	4	6	8
4th Place		3	5	7
5th Place		2	4	6
6th Place		1	3	5
7th Place			2	4
8th Place			1	3
9th Place				2
10th Place 			1
b.Proposed (M-8) Points Schedule
      Entries	3-6	7-12	13-18	19-27	28-36	37+
1st Place	4	7	9	11	13	15
2nd Place	2	5	7	9	11	13
3rd Place	1	4	6	8	10	12
4th Place		3	5	7	9	11
5th Place		2	4	6	8	10
6th Place		1	3	5	7	9
7th Place			2	4	6	8
8th Place			1	3	5	7
9th Place				2	4	6
10th Place 			1	3	5
11th Place					2	4
12th Place					1	3
13th Place						2
      14th Place						1

17.Item was discussed about 7 and 7 races. Write something up for 7 and 7 lap 
races and the elimination of Olympic scoring. For the first race of the year the grid 
positions are based upon last season's results.

18. Non-member scoring

Section M-1 Should racers only be scored for the actual finishing position they 
finished in the club?

1.  Currently, non-members are NOT scored as finishers of a race (for 
overall and     
      class season points positions.
2.Non-members are allowed to race and are counted as an entrant 
once the morning registration procedures are followed.
3.For example, if an OMRRA member finishes in first place followed 
by nine (9) non-members and in eleventh (11) is the next OMRRA 
member, that second member is scored as finishing in 2nd place for 
season and class points calculations.  Does this really make sense 
to anyone?
4.The rule book states that non-members will not be scored for overall 
season 
and class points finishes.  Nothing is stated at all that the other 
finishers are moved up into positions they did not actually finish 
in.
5.I'm all for ONLY MEMBERS being counted in scoring for class and 
season points championships.
6.I'm firmly against any racer being awarded any finish position that 
they did not earn.
7.Proposal
a.Class and Overall Season points should ONLY be awarded 
for the ACTUAL position in which the member finished.
	b.   If a class runs and the top 5 are non-members, the 6th place 
member finisher receives points for their 6th place finish, 
which is he highest points paying position for that class that 
day.
	c.   Likewise, if the 2nd, 4th, 6th, 9th, and 10th place finishers are 
non-members, the members who finished in 1st, 3rd, 5th, 7th, 
and 8th, would receive only those points associated with their 
finish position.
	d.   All entrants who follow the published registration procedures 
are counted as an entrant for season and class points 
calculations.

19. Should we include another bullet item under section N to say: "Any rider with 
bad/non existent safety wire jobs and other failed fluid retaining equipment not just 
case covers.  Further propose that records be kept on "oilers" to determine if there 
racing privileges with that machine should be revoked."

B: Items That Require Further Discussion
Items have been moved to other sections for after discussion in the rules committee.


C: Items that are Administrative Not Requiring a Membership Vote-"Board 
Discussion Items"
1.Break down of endurance rules. It has been reported that Les Green has done 
this and the wording just needs to be put in the rulebook. Needs to be put in the 
book. Has been already been voted on by the board.

2.Review scoring grid of senior classes and wording in rulebook. B-6 is in violation 
of M-5. Senior is to be its own class and scored separately from the originating 
class. Change wording in rulebook section B-6 to eliminate conflict of having a 
race in a race. This also solves computer and scoring problems. Rules committee 
discussed to put this item to the board for consideration and a determination. After 
a determination is made then more work will be done on this item. Discussion on 
10/13/04 suggested thought that M-5 should supersede B-6 so B-6 is not 
applicable. This was not brought up at the last board meeting. We will bring it up 
to the new board in November.

3.Typo error in I-4: Change to "At all OMRRA events there must be a qualified first 
aid attendant with equipment and transportation. The principal OMRRA official 
shall not allow...." From: The referee"

4.It was brought up to look at graduating novice times. We have new bikes in the 
classes and the times may not be reflective of what is prudent to have on the 
racetrack with the current crop of bikes. This is an item for the board to consider.

5.Allow 500cc open single four strokes into the 250 GP class. One member emailed 
in a concern: "On allowing 500 cc singles with the 250GP class: If this happens 
you must remove the 250GP class from running as a wave with the open 
superbikes. Open bikes are now capable of hitting 190+ mph; there is no way that 
a 500-cc single should be n the same track at the same time. Having 250GP 
running with the open superbikes is already dicey, especially since there are 
usually 125's mixed in there." This was presented as a safety issue that should be 
looked at. 

The 250 GP grid is recommended to move to the 750 Superbike grid to eliminate 
the problem of closing speeds. This is a board issue to consider.

6.Section F-6, change last sentence to: ...unmodified air box with plugged drains, 
and add the words "OEM air injection system." This is an item for the board to 
vote on.
7.Include in the rule book Novice section wording for the "Bye" provision for 
finishing a rain race event.  This has been passed by the board but it has not 
made it into the current rule book.
1.Section K needs penalties wording for conduct. What we do to people and also 
for conduct of vendors. Put it under K-2 also put reference to vendors with 
reference also to competitors. Ask people for pro and con arguments. 

Much discussion about racer, vendor, and also pocket-bike racer/parent conduct. 
Committee members are going to research what other race organizations have 
and will discuss this issue further.

8.Page 8 #12 states, novice "race".  Propose change from "race" to event.

9. 	Page 9 states, "On race day the grid will be completed 1/2 hour before all morning 
races, except the first two races.  Your grid position will be determined by:
The first 11 positions are assigned based on previous race finishing position for 
the following classes:  OS, 7P, 6P, 6S, MS, 2V.
   The order in which the pre-entries are received.
   Pre-entries defined as entries received 5 days prior to the event.
   All post entries assigned randomly to the back of the grid.
No more than an absolute maximum of fifty (50) motorcycles shall be allowed to 
race at once.  No exceptions will be made.
Priority, if any, will be given to riders in their primary class over those who have 
stepped up a class."
-Propose change to, "On race day the "qualifier" grids will be completed 
1/2 hour before all morning qualifying races, except the first two 
qualifiers.  Your grid position will be determined by:
The first 16 positions are assigned based on season class points and back to 
prior year end results for the first race of the new season for the for ALL 
CLASSES.
      The order in which the pre-entries are received.
      Pre-entries defined as entries received 5 days prior to the event.
      All post entries assigned randomly to the back of the grid.
No more than an absolute maximum of sixty (60) motorcycles shall be allowed 
to race at once.  No exceptions will be made.

10. Page 21 (D-9) states, "No rider's entry will be accepted after the close of 
registration, except in extreme circumstances."  Proposed change to read same as 
above with the following addition:  "determined by the leading OMRRA official."

11. Page 22 (E-3) states, "Novice riders:  Large contrasting "X" on back of helmet".
 
-Propose to have novice racers where orange T-shirts or wife beaters over 
their leathers.
2.Needs to be enforced by ASIT at gear tech and visual 
inspection on the pre-grid.  
3.Black flag if not in compliance.

12. Electronic transponder scoring is the primary method of scoring with the manual 
as a back-up.  There is no reason why 6" numbers would not suffice. 

-Proposal:  Allowing 6" black numbers on white backgrounds.  For side plate 
numbers and also for an exception for bikes with a center air inlet.

-Proposal:  (F-27) should be re-worded to state electronic transponder scoring 
(Dbcom) as the primary method of scoring. 

13. Page 28 (I-10) requires that money class participants be notified in advance in 
writing as to the payout schedule for the money classes.  
1.   This did not occur once this year in any event in any money class. 
2. Propose this be reviewed and printed out to the membership.

14. Proposal:  Page 31 (J-8/9) should be amended to read that whenever an 
ambulance is dispatched onto the track, this will result in an automatic red flag.  
However, the ambulance my cross the track at the discretion of race control without 
resulting in a red flag.

CON Argument:
This is an unnecessary revision as Track Control is responsible for determining if it is 
safe and prudent to direct an ambulance onto the track during race conditions. In 
which case the rule book states:

(J-8) The white/red cross signal is used only in a main (final) event and will be 
displayed in the event that an ambulance or service vehicle is on the race track.
* If an ambulance is required during a practice session or novice and grid qualifying
heats, the race will be red flagged.
 *The white/red cross signal will be displayed at the start/finish line. As the 
ambulance passes from one corner station to the next, the flag will be displayed at 
each station that the ambulance has passed.
*These procedures will permit riders to know the position of the ambulance on the
track at all times. Riders, corner workers, and ambulance personnel will follow the
procedure outlined in Section (J-8). [note: this should read (J-9)]

(J-9) In the event an ambulance is called onto the racetrack, the procedure is as 
follows:
The ambulance will travel in the direction of the racecourse only.
 *The white/red cross signal will be displayed at the start/finish line. As the 
ambulance passes from one corner station to the next, the flag will be displayed at 
each station that the ambulance had passed to alert riders that the ambulance is on 
the track.
 *The ambulance will keep to the inside of the track at all times until it arrives at the 
scene of the accident. When the ambulance arrives at the scene of the accident, the 
driver will clearly signal his or her intentions.
* Riders may pass the ambulance on the outside of the track and only one (1) 
abreast at a VERY reduced speed.
* Corner workers will be instructed to report to the control tower the number(s) of the
motorcycle or motorcycles that pass inside the ambulance, at racing speeds or more 
than one abreast.
 *At the discretion of the referee, riders who do not observe this rule will be 
disqualified from the days racing activities. Ambulance personnel will be advised of 
this procedure prior to each day's event. Competitors will be advised of this 
procedure at every rider's meeting prior to each day's event.
* A practice session or a grid qualifying heat will be red flagged before an ambulance 
is brought onto the track.

OMRRA does NOT allow racing around the ambulance and therefore the "scary" 
incident recently depicted at another venue would not occur. By not including this 
revision, it keeps all available options open during the course of the day.

15. Page 31 (J-11) should have a set "minimum" number of workers to determine 
whether track is safe for racing.  
2.Take the "feeling" out of the equation and make it a real number. Put 
the word and determination to be made by the leading OMRRA 
official for the day into the rule book.  
   2.   Could be a different number per turn station or a total amount.
   3.   Requires direct input from race control, but this should be in the 
rulebook for future reference for racers, volunteers, etc.

CON Argument:
Simply put, numbers do not equate to safety. For example: outside of Turn 3 requires 
fairly strong and robust individuals to accomplish the duties required, having a set 
number of, say, three or four and then staffing with four 100 lb. girls is not sufficient. 
This currently remains as a discretionary element based on specific factors of any 
given event. If someone wishes to remove "feels", then substitute the word 
"determines". 

16. Novice Racers should be required to volunteer "prior" to their expert race license 
being issued.

The novice who meets the competition requirement MUST also complete the 
volunteer requirement and have it documented by an OMRRA Vice President.
1. Current Appendix B #12:
"Volunteer four (4) hours of time to assist OMRRA (not 
necessarily on a race or practice day), if called upon."
2.Proposed Appendix B #12:
"Novice racers MUST volunteer and minimum of eight (8) hours 
to assist OMRRA (not necessarily on a race or practice day).  
Expert race licenses will not be issued until this requirement is 
met.  See OMRRA operations for current volunteer 
opportunities." 

17. Appendix B should be changed to have novice racers where orange T-shirts or 
wife beaters over their leathers, present that as part of their gear tech to ASIT, along 
with the contrasting "X" on the helmet.

18. See A-14; suggest to the board that this be tried during the next race season to 
see if it can work. A suggestion also came up during the discussion to move the flag 
station positioning in turns 7 and 8.

19. Page 21 (D-13) needs discussion as to whether or not racers who request a 
refund should be counted in official scoring as an entrant.  
a.Discuss the possibility of partial refunds. 
Close the loophole that exists for "racers" to pre-enter with no intention of racing that 
class, get a refund just to have the entry number increased so that more 
championship points can be earned for someone else.
 
We need to better control our grids, document and entering races. This falls under 
un-sportsmanlike conduct and can be addressed by racers under protests. This can 
also be taken up next year.

20. Proposal:  (F-28) should be removed in its entirety. "Race bikes shall not be 
allowed onto the race track without number plates." This pertains to allowing bikes 
without number plates on the track without approval from the Head scorer or referee.

21. Page 40 (N-9) is not specific enough for imposing monetary penalties.  The 
"official" needs to be the leading OMRRA official at the track approval to impose 
fines.

22. E.  Grid Positions (M-11)
1.Rule is outdated since manual scoring is just the back-up to the 
electronic transponder scoring and the grid layouts are different for 
some of the classes.  Proposed rule change below.
a.Current (m-11) rule:
"During grid qualifiers scoring will only guarantee the 
accuracy of only the top eleven (11) riders (the first two 
grid rows).  The remainder of the qualifier heat results will 
be approximate."
b.Proposed (m-11) rule:
"During grid qualifiers scoring will guarantee the top 
sixteen (16) riders (first four grid rows) based on season 
points for that class.  For the first event of the year, the 
qualifier grids first 4 rows will be determined based on 
class point's position at prior years end.  For race 
weekend #2 season class points from race weekend #1, 
for race weekend #3 season points to date after the #2 
event (race #1 and #2 totals), and so on through the year.  
Grid positions for the main event will be determined based 
on the finish position during the morning qualifier to the 
first 6 rows (24 riders).  All other rows (grid positions) are 
approximate."

This rule changes a past practice when we had a different starting grid configuration.
It appears that this probably can be done with the new software.
This item goes to the board as it is race day organization.

D: Items That Were Discussed and Require No Further Action
1.Move to quarterly membership meetings due to attendance problems. This item 
seems it is a bylaws issue and should be taken up by the Advisory Board or the 
New Board.

2.Board should look at the money classes. Change 7S to a trophy class and 650GP 
(6T) twins to a money class. Many people in 6s do not run 7S due to money for 
the entry fee. Recommend to be looked at by the board. Committee suggested 
that the board not drop any money classes, as this is the first year since year they 
have been changed.

3.Black and green flag for oil on the track. This item was discussed and the 
consensus came to that it was too complicated.

4.Should smallbore classic cut off rules be reviewed, review C-13 and the other 
vintage type class. Discussed to have no further action on this item.

5.Clubman classes with 7 & 7 lap races should they be 4 lap heats with 10 lap 
mains?  7 & 7 lap races with Olympic scoring makes the generation of results 
difficult. Simon has received negative response to this proposal and the 
committee decided to drop this item. Much discussion on this item.

6.Should clubman classes and the modern bike races be put on separate days? 
Discussion came that this would be difficult, as we are not guaranteed 2-day 
events from PIR. Also this might strain volunteer commitments and insurance 
costs. Discussion on this item reasoned that this might lessen the gate; also it 
would definitely strain the volunteers. Also it would strain the classes, as it would 
put a bind to some peoples racing. Committee decided to drop this item.

7.Look at eliminating 7P and 7S grids due to only one manufacturer making the 
bikes now. We will look at the grids. Also what other bikes can we put on these 
grids for more people racing? Item referred for more discussion.This was brought 
up by one of the racers unable to attend the meeting.

Discussion brought out that we need a step up class for the 600 bikes as second 
class for the bikes. The 7S and 7P have 14 to 24 bikes according to the 
September grids. The grids still have bikes on them perhaps we should leave this 
item alone for now. Look at revisiting this again in a year.  An item for the board to 
consider.

8.An item was brought up regarding 650 twins (Suzuki 650's) populating more 
classes. Some grids like 4S machines have been displaced from their grids. Item 
to be discussed further by the committee. Have we allowed a bike into a class that 
has made the original bikes in that class obsolete? 

Talked about this item for a lot of different alternatives. Most plausible solution 
would be to have a 650  twin cut off year to exclude the Suzuki 650's from this 
grid. Suzuki 650's have four very competitive grids to race on still. Write up 
wording for this to be done. Suzuki 650's came out in 1999.

This item relates to question A-7. They go together and are related. Question A-7 
is the one we will propose to the members to vote on. This item is for no further 
action.

9. Page 28 (I-9) should also have a provision which states that bikes 
unable to continue (i.e., down and out rule) should also not be scored as a finisher. 
Look at rule book for next meeting discussion; this should already be in there. 

This was discussed and found not to be enforceable due to many different race 
scenarios and conditions.

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